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 Post subject: Free Download Manager website blocked
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:46 am 
Hi, this is my first time here and today I tried to access FDM's official website and I couldn't. So, I guessed it could be the cos of the hosts file and it was. The web site www.freedownloadmanager.org is being blocked.

Why?

As far as I know, it is not a bad one.

Any thoughts on that?

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 Post subject: Re: Free Download Manager website blocked
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:54 am 
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The FDM site was included because it is offering malware and rogue applications;

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/freedo ... downloads/

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 Post subject: Re: Free Download Manager website blocked
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:04 am 
Yes, I know that www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads leads to that sort of things. They should know better, but I guess they don't really care as long as they get money with it (I'm guessing is a way of getting money, hosting apps), so they can give FDM for free.

It's a wrong approach from their part, but, well ...

Why not just block www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads instead of www.freedownloadmanager.org ? People could have access to the safe page and not allowed to access the bad page.

After all, FDM is not a rogue or malware app.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Download Manager website blocked
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:48 am 
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Unfortunately, the HOSTS file does not support blocking sub-directories. In addition, we cannot allow the unblocking of those that support the distribution or get paid to help distribute, malware.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Download Manager website blocked
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:14 pm 
Yes, that is correct. Forgot about that fact. Embarassed

Perhaps, the only thing to do, is to alert the users of hpHosts, that the domain www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads leads to rogue and malware apps, but that the main domain is safe to visit. This alert, of course, would have to be included in the hosts file, at the beginning.

Then people can just comment or uncomment that line.

Just an idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:04 pm 
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There are many sites that would fit into that category however, including many Zlob sites that have nothing malicious on the homepage, but have the Zlob trojan in subdirectories. If I included a note in the file about them all (couldn't do it for one without doing it for them all), the file would be 10 times the size.

I will however, add a note to it's listing on the site Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:33 pm 
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Alas, upon checking the latest version of their program, the FDM site does not deserve a safe site notice.

1. Software Informer is bundled AND prechecked

If you leave this ticked, it is also preticked to autoload with Windows.

2. NO mention is made of this on the download page
3. SI is beta software - something NOT recommended for general users

Note, Software Informer was a safe program to use the last time I checked it, the issue here is lack of pre-download disclosure, and prechecking options to install bundled software from third parties.

What else are they bundling without disclosure?


Attachments:
FDM_index.txt [22.39 KiB]
Downloaded 326 times
imgFDM_SI_Prechecked.gif
imgFDM_SI_Prechecked.gif [ 34.87 KiB | Viewed 7877 times ]

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:00 am 
That's odd. I installed the beta version and I didn't see that field at all.

After seeing your reply, I reinstalled FDM beta and no field such as that. Then again, I performed an upgrade. Perhaps, that is why I didn't see it.

Also, these days, many software vendors, including security vendors, include things not related to their companies and that have nothing to do with what the software in cause does.

For example, Crap Cleaner will install the yahoo toolbar by default.
SpySweeper and Comodo Firewall Pro will install Ask.com toolbar by default.
If users don't read and see, as they should, then they will get that crap installed on their systems.

Thats a few that I remember.

Should their sites be blocked? No, they develop safe software.

Don't take me wrong. I am against those software vendors that bundle other apps with their apps, specially when they come selected by default, to be installed.
But the user must see the steps he/she makes while installing something. It is common sense. Otherwise they will be fixing something they should have prevented in the first place.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:46 pm 
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Soultrain wrote:
After seeing your reply, I reinstalled FDM beta and no field such as that. Then again, I performed an upgrade. Perhaps, that is why I didn't see it.


I downloaded the setup for FDM, directly from their website Wink

Soultrain wrote:
Also, these days, many software vendors, including security vendors, include things not related to their companies and that have nothing to do with what the software in cause does.
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... and thats one of the reasons I refuse to support them Wink

Soultrain wrote:
For example, Crap Cleaner will install the yahoo toolbar by default.
SpySweeper and Comodo Firewall Pro will install Ask.com toolbar by default.
If users don't read and see, as they should, then they will get that crap installed on their systems.


Blaming the users isn't viable. The vendors should know better. For example, Ask has long since been known for malware (mainly under the name "IAC"). Ref;

http://forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=344

Soultrain wrote:
Thats a few that I remember.


CoU has a list of them Wink

http://www.dozleng.com/updates/index.php?showtopic=16109&pid=70741

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Should their sites be blocked? No, they develop safe software.


Actually I disagree. Whilst their software may be safe, their morals and ethics are questionable to say the least. As mentioned, the problem isn't with the bundling itself (only time the bundle itself becomes the problem, is when the bundle is malware, ala Ask). The issues are;

1. Pre-checking bundles for installation

It is NOT the users job to uncheck these, they should be OPT IN not opt out.

2. Lack of disclosure

No-where on the majority of the site's I've seen, mention whats installed or that it's pre-checked. And in the case of Ask, don't mention the fact that all Ask/IAC products are malware.

Soultrain wrote:
Don't take me wrong. I am against those software vendors that bundle other apps with their apps, specially when they come selected by default, to be installed.
But the user must see the steps he/she makes while installing something. It is common sense. Otherwise they will be fixing something they should have prevented in the first place.


I agree, users should be looking. However, users are downloading from what they think are trusted developers, and thus trust that developer not to include something thats not wanted or mentioned.

The main blame for this lies squarely with the developers. Users are only recently (within the past year or two) being told to read everything within an installer, and even then thats only due to the rise in malware. Users shouldn't have to be this paranoid.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:47 pm 
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YoKenny4584 wrote:
It is a pain but then its the price you pay for Free stuff Exclamation


Thats a little insulting ....... there's more of us freeware dev's that still have our ethics and morals intact than there is those without Wink

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