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 Post subject: B Gone use in classroom environment
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:20 pm 
Downloaded and installed B Gone today at home, think it would be a great tool for classroom use (blacklist words like youtube, myspace, etc) to keep youth on their assignments. This is an elegant program and I commend the author.

Is it possible to repoint where the password and white/blacklists reside to a networked folder? In this way, the instructor could make changes on one machine that would effect them all at the same time. Also, would the EULA be violated if one were to use it on multiple machines at the same location (like a school)? We must remain above board, you know!

Just wondering Laughing Laughing Laughing Hope someone has the answer.

Alan in Oklahoma, USA



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:28 pm 
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asnider123 wrote:
Downloaded and installed B Gone today at home, think it would be a great tool for classroom use (blacklist words like youtube, myspace, etc) to keep youth on their assignments. This is an elegant program and I commend the author.


Much appreciated, thank you Smile

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Is it possible to repoint where the password and white/blacklists reside to a networked folder? In this way, the instructor could make changes on one machine that would effect them all at the same time.


This isn't supported at present, but I'll add support for this to the next release for you Smile

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Also, would the EULA be violated if one were to use it on multiple machines at the same location (like a school)? We must remain above board, you know!


You can install it on as many machines as you like Smile (the licence is freeware for both personal and commercial use)

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:39 pm 
Thank you, Steven, for your quick reply and your kind consideration for my proposed usage of the program. Quickly a couple more questions:

1. Noticed that you have a non-installing version. Does it contain everything needed to run (other than the PW and B/W lists)? Could it be run from a server as part of each student machine's auto logins, or do you need extra dll or other files somewhere else on the client machines? That way, you would not need to install separately on each machine.

2. My student logins restrict student actions on some directories which I do not wish them to modify or delete, you know what I mean! Would this prevent B Gone from operating properly? I assume I would need to give student computers full rights to the B Gone folder(?) and (heaven forbid) the Windows folder as well. Very dangerous, they could delete the wrong thing (accidently on purpose). Much better if the log files could live in their own directory (for audit purposes) so they didn't have full access to stuff you need restricted.

3. Does the program respond to changes in the blacklist without having to restart? When I copy a new blacklist over the network to student machines, does it take place immediately or after the program restarts?

Sorry if these are dumb questions, I see a great need for a program such as this in my classroom environment, I certainly appreciate your reply.

Alan in Oklahoma



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:47 pm 
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asnider123 wrote:
Thank you, Steven, for your quick reply and your kind consideration for my proposed usage of the program. Quickly a couple more questions:

1. Noticed that you have a non-installing version. Does it contain everything needed to run (other than the PW and B/W lists)? Could it be run from a server as part of each student machine's auto logins, or do you need extra dll or other files somewhere else on the client machines? That way, you would not need to install separately on each machine.


Aslong as the dependency files are installed on the client machines, I see no reason why the executable itself couldn't be loaded from the server (unfortunately I haven't got the resources to be able to test this myself).

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2. My student logins restrict student actions on some directories which I do not wish them to modify or delete, you know what I mean! Would this prevent B Gone from operating properly? I assume I would need to give student computers full rights to the B Gone folder(?) and (heaven forbid) the Windows folder as well. Very dangerous, they could delete the wrong thing (accidently on purpose). Much better if the log files could live in their own directory (for audit purposes) so they didn't have full access to stuff you need restricted.


At present, the configuration and log files etc, storage locations, cannot be customized. However, aslong as the executable itself, is not loaded with restricted rights, it will be able to write to it's logs and read from the filters, without having to give the users full rights to the Windows and B Gone program folders. Again however, I'll add support for customizing this, to the next release for you (the only one that could not be customized, would be the configuration (.ini) storage location)

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3. Does the program respond to changes in the blacklist without having to restart? When I copy a new blacklist over the network to student machines, does it take place immediately or after the program restarts?


These take effect immediately Smile

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Sorry if these are dumb questions, I see a great need for a program such as this in my classroom environment, I certainly appreciate your reply.

Alan in Oklahoma


No problem at all (and certainly not dumb questions Smile).

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:34 am 
Thanks so much, Steven. Incidently, it's like 130 am in England, you should be sleeping Laughing

I am not sure I understand how this even works. Most other programs I have seen over the years use the IE 'proxy server' feature to pass webpages thru a local proxy for filtering. Your program does not do this. Must be some kind of 'sniffer' or something(?) Really cool!

Alan



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:47 am 
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B Gone intercepts the pages loaded by the browser, and filters them according to the filter settings Smile.

If I can talk my body into it, I'll be sleeping a little later Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:58 am 
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B Gone intercepts the pages loaded by the browser, and filters them according to the filter settings Smile.

If I can talk my body into it, I'll be sleeping a little later Smile

I noticed the pages do load for a very short time before disappearing. I used 'ABOUT:BLANK' for the redirect page, it gives me just a blank screen once the filter kicks in. So I am guessing it needs to load for a split second so it can read the title line. Interesting and ingenius! Laughing

Of course, the logs will let me know if a certain individual is persistent in trying to load what he/she shouldn't. Since the logs are kept in txt files, it's easy enough to print out in case of need.

Will the log continue to get bigger or does it close each night and a new one open for the day?

Sorry, go to sleep, answer some other time Shocked Thanks



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:10 am 
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The logs are written on a day to day basis to keep their file sizes as small as possible, and as easy to read as possible.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:00 am 
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asnider,
Can you try this one please? (see the Storage section of the settings dialog)

Changes:

Added: Vista SP1 and XP SP3 support
Added: Customize file storage location

Modified: Updated End User Licence Agreement
Modified: Updated About dialog
Modified: Updated support URLs
Modified: Log files now tab delimited instead of space
Modified: Changed SysTray icon to API to remove flshtray.OCX dependency

Note:

The attached file is the executable and readme/EULA only, NOT an installer. To use this, just extract the files and overwrite the existing copies (make sure B Gone is not running before doing so).


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:39 am 
Hi Steven, that looks really nice, I think we may have a winner here Laughing I will experiment the next couple of days on our network.

Regarding the lists and password folders: do they need to be drive-letter oriented or will a uri work (such as \\SERVER\FOLDER) .. I am assuming that, since I do not wish the students to be able to change the list or password files, I can make their folder as 'readonly'(?). I think that putting a separate logs folder on each student machine will sure simplify auditing. Besides, if several machines try to write to the log simultaneously, it will cause troubles.

So here is my plan of attack:

1. Copy B GONE.EXE to a read-only shared folder (entitled and shared as BGONE)
2. Run the program initially directly on the server, setting the lists and password folder to the BGONE folder, set the logs folder to 'C:\BLOGS'. Also check the first 4 on 'settings', as we are using EI7 with tabs on the student machines
3. On each student client, create the 'C:\BLOGS' folder to hold that machine's log files
4. Run 'B Gone.exe' on each student machine from the shared folder (\\server\bgone\b gone.exe)

Now, here are the only possible problems that come to mind:

1. Are there any required dll's or ocx's or anything else that the student machines must have in order for it to run?
2. You know how particular servers can be: is it necessary to have that space in the program file name? If it is renamed to 'bgone.exe', will it still work properly?
3. Will the 'Run with Windows Startup' run on the student machines, even though the program is on the server? Or will I need to add the program to the login script and remove the checkmark in 'settings'?
4. I assume that, each time a new webpage is requested, the student client will re-read the black/white lists, they are small so it shouldn't be a big problem, will it?
5. If I use the 'hidden' tray icon mode, will it cause any difficulties? I would like to hide them on the student mahcines, but not on the server, how can this happen?

Again, thanks so much for your assistance, I will be experimenting with it for the next couple of days and let you know how it works out.

Alan in Oklahoma



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