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 Post subject: Dear Microsoft: Is "No" in your dictionary?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:21 pm 
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Dear Microsoft: Is "No" in your dictionary?

I do sometimes wonder what some of the folks over at Microsoft are smoking. Sure, they're mostly obsessed with "social media" (aka social networking - YUCK!), but this does not excuse their trying to push things like this down my throat.

Take Windows live Essentials 2011 for example, I'm not annoyed it's being pushed through MU (Microsoft Update), it's a Microsoft product and WLM is installed. However, when I untick it, that means I DO NOT WANT IT!
http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2010/10/dea ... onary.html

I like Windows Live Essentials 2011 on my Windows 7 system as it permits me to see my POP3 email plus my Hotmail email without having to go to Hotmail.

I do not have anything Windows Live on my XP Pro system though.

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 Post subject: Re: Dear Microsoft: Is "No" in your dictionary?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:07 pm 
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This kind of thing is enough to make me wonder whether it would be worth the trouble to face the world with a Linux machine only (as I once did) and run Microsoft only through virtualization, if at all; or to switch to Apple (which I've never done before; although, from what I hear, Apple is 100 times more controlling and intrusive than Microsoft ever was).

As long as I'm running Windows, I usually install anything Microsoft tries to push (I figure it's a vain effort to protect myself from the people who wrote my OS and, until recently, my security software). That's really the only reason I have Silverlight installed (I rarely use IE anyway). I did have to draw the line at, and uninstall, some of the Windows Live garbage. But in the long run, the only way to protect oneself from a rogue OS provider is to switch to a different OS.

The more I see of the behavior of modern commercial software providers, the more reasonable Richard M. Stallman sounds.

Oh well, first things first. The more immediate priorities are to follow up on some of the helpful suggestions I've already been given about useful security software to install (thanks again to those who made those suggestions!) - and to ferret out and report a few dozen more ATS to hpHosts. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:06 pm 
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Sequent wrote:
But in the long run, the only way to protect oneself from a rogue OS provider is to switch to a different OS.


If only ...... malware and exploits have been out for Linux and the MAC for some time now ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:25 pm 
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MysteryFCM wrote:
Sequent wrote:
But in the long run, the only way to protect oneself from a rogue OS provider is to switch to a different OS.


If only ...... malware and exploits have been out for Linux and the MAC for some time now ;)


Oh, I know - and my use of the open-source Firefox browser didn't protect me from tracking via Flash crookies. But I wasn't referring to third-party malware - I meant that switching to Linux would protect from abuses like the one this discussion was originally about, that are perpetrated by the OS provider itself (in your case, Microsoft). Perhaps my use of the strong term "rogue" for Microsoft's refusal to take "No" for an answer led to the misunderstanding. As I've mentioned in other contexts, I feel that even the "benign" end of the spectrum of hpHosts inclusion criteria is anything but benign from an ethical standpoint, and I feel the same way about Microsoft's behavior as reported in your blog. The spectrum does help to illuminate the level of short-term risk involved in visiting a site (and I was glad to see it added recently as an explicit, visually displayed spectrum!), but it isn't a guide to moral status. Some malware blocklists don't even include ATS at all; their inclusion in hpHosts is, from my point of view, one of its best aspects.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:31 pm 
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hehe no worries :)

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